John Honeck is a star regular poster to the Google Webmaster Help Group, giving tremendously good advice about search engine optimization, the universe and everything. He has a great blog www.jlh-design.com about web design, SEO, all things sophisticated and hi-tech. The cutest things he writes in the blog are about his wonderful family and kids. He lives in Rochester, Minnesota, 70 miles from his home town of La Crosse, Wisconsin, and near the Mississippi river.

John in his home town of La Crosse, Wisconsin
John wrote lots of postings to the Google Webmaster Help Group, each one of them packed with good advice, great knowledge and fun. But why did he write bye, you've all been great to the group? Hopefully he will change his mind.
John, you can see that your contribution to the Google Webmaster Help Group is highly valued by so many people. Why did you write the bye posting? Hopefully you will continue to contribute to the group.
First off, thank you for taking an effort in interviewing me; I don't have a lot of name recognition in the industry at all, so I really appreciate your interest.
"Why did you write the bye posting?" is a question I've been asking myself over and over again the last few days. Hindsight being 20/20 I should have just faded away rather than making an announcement. My plan to not make any more controversy than I already have obviously blew up in my face. I've tried to ignore the group completely since leaving that message, but due to multiple emails, posts on blogs, and even a few phone calls I've revisited it a couple times. There seems to be a lot of speculation going on, and I guess I'll use the opportunity you are presenting me to clear the air a bit.
I'd like to get one thing clear right away; I didn't decide to leave the group due to any conflict with any group member or any Googler for that matter. There was no one thing that set me off, but rather a culmination of many factors. I'm not angry with anybody in particular, and as far as I know no one is angry with me. There wasn't an agreement of any kind that set my course of action in motion.
The brevity of my statement was in fact a statement itself. I have said everything I thought needed to be said already, many times, and obviously haven’t heard the responses I was interested in. I believe that Google and I have differing philosophies on how the Webmaster community is best served. Before any mental giants step in with the lame, "then ask for a refund from Google if you don’t like their customer service" argument, let me stop you, because that is not what I am talking about at all. To understand, I'll need to go into probably more detail than you'd like so feel free to exercise your editorial powers if need be.
When Google was started way back in the BackRub days the geniuses that developed it thought of a much better way to evaluate and rank the existing sites and pages available on the web. Google was an observer using its sophisticated algorithm to analyze links, text, anchor text etc. to rank the pages better than everyone else. Fast-forward to today where Google is no longer an observer they are an influencer. They shape the way that web sites look and work. Perhaps this wasn’t their intent but it is a fact. We now also have a Web that is orders of magnitude larger than when Google first started, then again so is Google with it’s thousands of employees and billions of dollars of revenue. As the internet has matured it has grown to resemble a typical democratic capitalist society with a standard pyramid type infrastructure in regards to the players, and subsequently the money. There is a small subset sitting at the top controlling the majority of the traffic, influence, and transactions. They of course also get the majority of the attention, leeway, and information from Google. I’m not one of these people so I don’t know how the system works, but I do know that when a very large site has a problem with Google it’s fixed within hours. I also know that when a very popular search engine blogger has a question he just pings a Googler and get his answer in hours. Unfortunately information doesn’t disseminate down this pyramid. All of the key players at the top can be well informed, have access, and even freely talk about what they know but the people at the bottom will never hear them. The majority of webmasters are not full time designers, SEOs, or even computer literate. They are the real people passing information and products through the web as a medium, not as the web as a business.
I’ve long been trying to push for more Googler response in the Google Webmaster Help group. I recently received some information that they were quite happy with their amount of their communication efforts with regards to webmasters. As proof this information referenced the "dozens" of Googlers, which attend worldwide conferences slapping palms, and Google dancing with all the attendees. This is all well and good, for those members of that top subset of the pyramid. The problem is that while that very small percentage is being served well the VAST majority of people in the rest of the pyramid are being ignored. There are millions and millions of domains owned and operated by even more people than that, what percentage of this group attends these conferences? Because these people operate small sites, don’t have the connections, or don’t fly to out of town conferences doesn’t mean they should be ignored when it comes to assistance.
Up until very recently all information coming from them has been that they are working hard on improving Webmaster communications. Having been in the corporate culture before I know it can take a committee of ten people to decide what time it is, so I was willing to give them some leeway on the implementation of such systems. When I received notice that they were complacent and satisfied with their level of communication, I was more than disillusioned, I was embarrassed. I was embarrassed for myself for being taken in on such a campaign of disinformation. At that point all of the broken promises, the painfully long anticipated tools that just never came, all started to make sense. They really have no intention on ever helping the rest of the pyramid; it’s not on the corporate radar. If it was a better system sure could have instituted by now.
To me I also noticed a change of culture. Back when Vanessa Fox was the public face of the Google Webmaster relations team any interview, post, or discussion you saw her involved in was one of taking suggestions well. No matter how whacky the request she would usually respond that she’d look into it, or that they are already working on something similar. Since her departure not only has the level of communication dwindled down to nearly nothing, but with responses as I received which are defensive and stand-offish don’t give me the feeling that its going to get any better.
Anyone reading this already knows about all of the wonderful documentation Google provides in their help center, the Webmaster guidelines, and even the group FAQs. They even posted a sticky on each subgroup to read the FAQ, but yet people still think their question is unique and needs someone attention. We also probably all subscribe to the same feeds looking for gems of information that Googlers drop all the time in the most popular SEO and SEM blogs and forums. With all of this information out there people are still going to search information from Google.
I’m not asking Google to go to the point of service where they are answering site-specific questions about ranking, or even divulging any secret information. What I do think is that they should offer someone, even if it’s just one person, to at least occasionally verify the information that is publicly available. You, me, Webado, Sebastian, or any of the other regulars in the group can answer a question 100% accurately but it does not carry the weight of a Googler chiming in every once and a while simply saying, “Yeah, what she said.” People searching out information are funneled to the help group, though they no longer mention Googlers involvement in much of their sites, expecting answers from Google and I think those people deserve at least 10 seconds of someone’s time.
So why did I say goodbye? Because Google and I have different philosophies. They feel it’s more important to service the big guns in the industry and I think it’s more important to have some boots on the ground working with the real heart of the web. Without Google support of the help group it’s just another webmaster forum of many, and not a good one at that, it lacks a user friendly interface, moderators, and many options that existing forums already offer. Their only appeal was the Official status, and without that I lost interest.
What is the aspect you find most interesting in analysing a website?
It’s changed through the years. The number one question in the group used to be "why can’t I get Google to index my site?" Those fell into two categories, those where were new and needed help gaining links and those where removed from the index. The removed from the index ones back then were pretty easy to figure out, egregious errors were easy to spot. The discussion then that was interesting to me was about the new sites and how to generate interest and thus links. Google then changed its system quite a bit with the expansion of the supplemental index and the big daddy infrastructure. After that getting a site indexed was much easier and those questions dried up, they are now pretty rare. More people ask daily why the link operator doesn’t work than why can’t I get my new site in Google.
The latest trend has been the implementation of incremental penalizations where Google doesn’t remove the site completely but adjusts its ranking downward. Honestly, I think they’ve got it right most of the time, and have knocked craps sites down to the bottom where they belong, but often honest people get caught up in the dragnet.
What’s most interesting to me now is the forensic analysis required to figure out why sites are penalized, it’s by far the most challenging aspect. Sometimes you get someone that shows up with a site that has obvious deficiencies, hidden text, blatant anchor text spamming, those terrible link exchange pages etc. and they get a ton of excellent advice. However often by the time the person has come to the group for guidance they’ve changed a lot of their stuff already, or more exciting is when they’re trying to hide other aspects. I’ve got a whole host of methods I’ve developed to discover what the site used to look like, what other sites they probably own/run, those sites interaction, etc. I find that most webmasters with a penalty tend to draw the wrong conclusions given the chain of evidence in front of them. They tend to blame the last action they took with their site and don’t consider the sites history. Generally when confronted with a piece of evidence that they were trying to get away with something before or proof that they have built up their own unnatural link network they come clean and then we can get down to the real problems.
The most satisfying aspect is helping those really in need, the ones that aren’t a professional webmaster, don’t have the money to even talk to a professional. They are genuinely appreciative and selfishly it makes me feel good. I am continually amazed at how trusting many of these people are, because they are just good solid people. With all of the concern of online security, its amazing how many people are willing to hand over their FTP details so I can fix something on their site. I always tell them to please change their login data immediately afterwards, but I wonder how many haven’t. To protect their privacy I even make sure to clean my machines of their information. Taking an evening to convert someone's FrontPage 97 designed framed site to a CSS based site with includes and a base template, and then seeing their indexing percentage skyrocket the next week is very rewarding. I know I’m cutting in on some SEO’s work by doing this for free, but I’ve never been interested in trying to market myself that way. The people I want to help don’t have the money anyway. This work takes place behind the scenes of the Group and will be probably the number one thing I’ll miss the most, though I am already reaching out to find other sources to feed my fixation.
You write such cutest things about your cute kids in your blog, can you please say something about them :)
Well, I've been blessed with two wonderful boys. They are so different but yet wonderful in their own way it really makes you believe there is a grand plan out there. The oldest is brilliantly intelligent with a thirst for knowledge and discovery. The youngest has the most outgoing personality and charisma that I've ever seen. I put pictures of them on the blog because they both like to see themselves on the "dot com"
You mention in your blog your mechanical engineering background. Can you say more about blending those skills with web design and SEO?
Engineering and web design is very similar in their nature. An engineering education gives you the tools to solve mechanical problems, but the vast majority of those solutions are just reapplication and adaptation of existing technologies. I may design a brand new hospital or a new process for recovering energy but all of the components already existed before I applied them.
It's the same with web design. All the tools required to create the next youtube are available in any programmers manual, but how you apply them and who you get to see your idea is the real secret to success.
In my mind the scientific method and breaking down large problems into small manageable tasks is the same if I am designing a new heating plant or launching a new web application.
And some reassuring words for the desperate readers of your bye thread to the Google Webmaster Help Group?
I just said, "bye" If things change in the future and I believe that Google's attitude towards the little webmasters has changed, I will probably come back. I may even change my attitude without, but at the moment I just don't think we are on the same side of this issue and I cannot feel good about myself helping them . Nothing is final, and I honestly miss the place and would love to be able to come back and build on what we've accomplished so far.
Having John Mueller within the collective has got to have a positive influence, so maybe I'll just have to wait for those influences to come out.
Good luck with all your projects and continued success in being a integral cog in the Webmaster community.
John, thank you very much for the interview.
asymptoticdesign.com Wednesday, 26 Sep 2007